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New H.B. 51 Law Proposal for Utah
01/27/04 at 09:54:46
 
----Original Message Forwarded To ATVUtah.com by Fred Christensen/Swire on 01/26/2004 09:34 AM ----

OHV Enthusiasts Throughout Utah,

Just a heads up that I think you need to be aware of. HB51 is making its way through the House and Senate without much comment and without much opposition.

Most of you are probably NOT aware of HB 51 which is currently being considered by the Utah legislature. HB51 requires a $30 permit for all non-resident ATV/motorcycles/snowmobiles brought into Utah. The only exemption is for machines brought in which are currently registered in a state that offers Utah residents reciprocal operating privileges.

My concern is for racers and jamboree participants who may change their plans and go elsewhere because of the $30 permit. If you or any of your folks would like to weigh in on this, the time is now. You can see the text and track HB51 on the legislature website Multimedia file viewing and clickable links are available for registered members only!!  You need to Login or Register!!
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The only area of Utah that might see a benefit from this legislation is the Cedar Mtn/Duck Creek area where a boatload of Nevada residents come to play. I feel that almost everyone else will be negatively impacted. I'd hate to see local economies suffer from a decrease in OHV tourism because of this bill.

In the Utah motorcycle racing scener we have the Rhino Rally in St. George, National Hare n Hound events near Delta and the WORCS events in Price and Monticello. All of these events rely heavily upon non-resident competitors who could be required to purchase a $30.00 permit just for access to Utah public lands......this will NOT BE GOOD!!!
(It would depend on whether or not their home state has reciprocal operating priveliges with the state of Utah)

In addition to above mentioned competitive events, we also have well established ATV Jamborees such as Fillmore and Richfield. In addition their are new events in Emery and San Juan Counties that are working hard to establish themselves as destinations for ATV enthusiasts from throughout the United States. These rural Utah Counties desperately need the tourism dollars that OHV riders can provide to their struggling local economies. Dollars that won't come if non-resident riders choose to go elsewhere in order to avoid a $30.00 permit required of them for access to Utah public lands.

Alan J. Peterson

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This bill needs serious consideration and discussion of the pro's and con's. Although it could discourage some out of state riders from coming to Utah's Jamborees and events, the law states "Revenue generated by off-highway vehicle user fees shall be deposited in the Off-highway Vehicle Account created in Section 41-22-19 ; and 96 and used for the construction, improvement, operation, or maintenance of off-highway vehicle trails."
Many nonresidents riders I have spoken with are more than willing to pay an annual fee "IF and ONLY IF, We as Utah residents make sure the money actually goes back into the "OHV trails". We must make sure the money is NOT eaten up by bureaucratic red tape or diverted to other uses, such as bicycle paths, horse trails and foot paths as those forms of OHV transportation are NOT being charged the fee!"
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Re: New H.B. 51 Law Proposal for Utah
Reply #1 - 02/15/04 at 08:53:03
 
While I don't mind supportiing OHV fees, this bill would automatically add $60 to the cost of our vacation, which already will cost more because of rising fuel costs. We won't change our plans for this year, but it could adversely effect future plans for returning to Utah. So far, we here in Nevada are not charged for our public land use. Looks like all the surrounding states are getting on the "charge for everything" bandwagon.

I sometimes wonder what my tax dollars are supporting BESIDES paying for more and more restrictions. Something seems backwards here.
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Reply #2 - 02/16/04 at 08:21:45
 
Tom Molnar   wrote on 02/15/04 at 08:53:03:
While I don't mind supportiing OHV fees, this bill would automatically add $60 to the cost of our vacation, which already will cost more because of rising fuel costs. We won't change our plans for this year, but it could adversely effect future plans for returning to Utah. So far, we here in Nevada are not charged for our public land use. Looks like all the surrounding states are getting on the "charge for everything" bandwagon.

I sometimes wonder what my tax dollars are supporting BESIDES paying for more and more restrictions. Something seems backwards here.



As a Nevada resident will be one of the Lucky ones who would not be required to pay this fee as Nevada and Utah have a reciprical agreement for Snowmibiles wich will be carried over into the ATV and other OHV areas. I've been asking around and I agree with you the $30 per machine per year fee is too steep. If it was more along the lines of a $10 fee I think people would be willing to anti-up as long as they know it would go into the trails not into some sluch fund that in the end gets used to make horse corralls in an area where 3 families a year go riding their horse, as has happend in the past. I also don't want to see a huge fee charged the ATV crowd then see all the money sucked up by the Snowmobile bunch to buy more snow cats and snow trail grooming equipment. This is already happening with the ATV/OHV licensing sticker money collected from Utah residents now.

The trails need money and support for their upkeep and maintenance but I dont think they should be used as an excuse to milk excessive fees from visitors.

Personaly I'd love to see it stay as a donation and volunteer maintenance program because once the government agencies begin sticking their fingers in the pie... well you know that old saying "Too many cooks spoil the stew".



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Reply #3 - 02/16/04 at 10:28:48
 
Actually, I didn't know Nevada charged a snowmobile fee, since I don't own one. And again, I wouldn't mind paying an affordable fee anywhere as long as it is "affordable" and goes toward OHV related uses. $30 sounds to me like an out-of-state fishing license or something. And for those of us coming in for the Jamboree, we only need a one week fee, and your suggestion of $10 is reasonable.

How about we start charging hikers $30 for the 'right' to set foot on the ground...
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Reply #4 - 02/16/04 at 11:22:59
 
Mr._Tommy   wrote on 02/16/04 at 10:28:48:
Actually, I didn't know Nevada charged a snowmobile fee, since I don't own one. And again, I wouldn't mind paying an affordable fee anywhere as long as it is "affordable" and goes toward OHV related uses. $30 sounds to me like an out-of-state fishing license or something. And for those of us coming in for the Jamboree, we only need a one week fee, and your suggestion of $10 is reasonable.

How about we start charging hikers $30 for the 'right' to set foot on the ground...



I totaly agree that hikers, mountain bikers and horesman should all be paying if we are to charge anyone. A Trail is a Trail and an OHV is an OHV even if it eats grass or carries a back pack.

I have also learned special events like Jamboree's, charity rides and race events will be exempt from this OHV fee. The intent they tell me is for the riders who come and spend a lot of time here.

We are currently asking OHVer's to write letters to the legislature to get this fee set at $10 - $15 and to charge ANYONE who uses trails created, suported or in anyway financed with money from the Utah Trail fund, including the afore mentioned Horses and hiking shoes.
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Reply #5 - 02/16/04 at 11:38:49
 
I would be willing to do that. You're talking about your legislature aren't you? All's I need is a name and an address and I'll get right on it.

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Reply #6 - 02/17/04 at 08:57:25
 
Mr._Tommy   wrote on 02/16/04 at 11:38:49:
I would be willing to do that. You're talking about your legislature aren't you? All's I need is a name and an address and I'll get right on it.

Tom


Anyone wishing to write protesting
HB0051S02 - Nonresident User Fee for Off-highway Vehicle Users (Multimedia file viewing and clickable links are available for registered members only!!  You need to Login or Register!!
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can send your complaints to the represenative who sponsored the bill by sending letters or email to:

Representative
DeMar Bud Bowman
109 North 800 West
Cedar City, Utah  84720
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Other good ones would be:

Representative
Bradley T. Johnson
30 North Main
Box 122
Aurora, Utah  84620
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Leonard M. Blackham
P.O. Box 337
Moroni, Utah 84646
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For County(ies) Juab, Piute, Sanpete, Sevier, Tooele, Wayne

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Thomas Hatch
PO Box 391
Panguitch UT 84759
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Senator
Mike Dmitrich - Minority Leader
566 North Dover Circle
Price, Utah 84501
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635 North 500 East
Price, Utah  84501
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Stephen H. Urquhart
37 West 1070 South
Ste. 102
St. George, Utah  84770
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1831 Red Mountain
Santa Clara, Utah  84765
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Kanab, Utah  84741
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Reply #7 - 02/18/05 at 16:23:06
 
Forum Adm.  You can forward this on to the Legeslators listed if you feel my comments are worth while.

I am from Minnesota, so I would not have to pay the required fee, but I would be willing to donate for trail upkeep and construction.  When you have a required fee paided to the government there is a negative reaction especially when it seems that the motorized group are always  paying and the "quiet" sports people do not.

When a tourist comes to Utah or any other place, the local business owners and residents are always very friendly and helpful.  The only offical government person that tourist might encounter is law enforcement.  There is no one from the Chamber of Commerce or Dept. of Tourism or Economic Development to welcome that tourist to Utah.  Every law enforcement person should be required to take a hospitality course or workshop.  If some meaningless ticket is issued for not having a registration decal, that tourist will not be back.  But if that law enforcment person is there to welcome you to Utah and is handing out rules or regulation and free map or a reply form to let Utah know what they like about there trip and what improvemnets could be made and by the way if you would like to donate to the trail up keep and construction fund here is a decal to place on your machine.  and we are also encourging the non-motorized people to donate also.  This type of attitude would make a hugh difference.  And a must do item is that a mailing list or email list of all these people should be established to send out an invitation to return and to send any other items of interest.

What the legislature need to do is estimate how many would donate when they are not required to pay the fee verses money collected from the required tax.  And you have to factor in the negative feeling about paying a tax and also the negative attitude when tickets are issued.  

My suggestion is to try the voluntary donation route first and see what happens.  And remember that those tourists are paying gas taxes and sales taxes and lodging taxes and beer taxes etc.  Do yu really need to collect another tax. John
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Reply #8 - 02/18/05 at 17:31:34
 
John McClure   wrote on 02/18/05 at 16:23:06:
Forum Adm. You can forward this on to the Legeslators listed if you feel my comments are worth while.

I am from Minnesota, so I would not have to pay the required fee, but I would be willing to donate for trail upkeep and construction. When you have a required fee paided to the government there is a negative reaction especially when it seems that the motorized group are always paying and the "quiet" sports people do not.

When a tourist comes to Utah or any other place, the local business owners and residents are always very friendly and helpful. The only offical government person that tourist might encounter is law enforcement. There is no one from the Chamber of Commerce or Dept. of Tourism or Economic Development to welcome that tourist to Utah. Every law enforcement person should be required to take a hospitality course or workshop. If some meaningless ticket is issued for not having a registration decal, that tourist will not be back. But if that law enforcment person is there to welcome you to Utah and is handing out rules or regulation and free map or a reply form to let Utah know what they like about there trip and what improvemnets could be made and by the way if you would like to donate to the trail up keep and construction fund here is a decal to place on your machine. and we are also encourging the non-motorized people to donate also. This type of attitude would make a hugh difference. And a must do item is that a mailing list or email list of all these people should be established to send out an invitation to return and to send any other items of interest.

What the legislature need to do is estimate how many would donate when they are not required to pay the fee verses money collected from the required tax. And you have to factor in the negative feeling about paying a tax and also the negative attitude when tickets are issued.

My suggestion is to try the voluntary donation route first and see what happens. And remember that those tourists are paying gas taxes and sales taxes and lodging taxes and beer taxes etc. Do yu really need to collect another tax. John



I agree a voluntary program would have been nicer but  H.B. 51 was passed in the 2004 Legislature and went into effect July 1, 2004. I've not spoken to a single business owner who like it and I've heard rumors of trying to get it repealed.

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Here is a recap:

Non-Resident Off-Highway Vehicle Permit Information
Utah law requires any non-Utah resident who owns, operates or lends an Off-Highway Vehicle for use on any public land, trail, street, or highway in Utah must pay an annual Off-Highway Vehicle user fee. Some states have reciprocity, meaning there is a mutual agreement between states not to charge non-residents fees. To find out the status of your state, Multimedia file viewing and clickable links are available for registered members only!!  You need to Login or Register!!
. For more information, please call 1-800-OHV-RIDE.

Individuals attending a state sanctioned Jamboree, or other OHV event, such as the Rocky Mountain ATV Jamboree or the Fillmore National ATV Jamboree (just to name 2 as examples) are exempt from this non-resident Off-Highway Vehicle user permit requirement for the duration of the event.

Individuals wanting to obtain a non-resident Off-Highway Vehicle user permit must provide proof of residency in a state other than Utah, and must provide proof that the Off-Highway Vehicle is not owned by a Utah resident.
Non-resident permits can be obtained either through the mail or in person at an authorized vendor.
The process for obtaining a non-resident Off-Highway Vehicle user permit by fax or mail is outlined below. (NOTE: Incomplete applications, or applications submitted on other than the approved form, or application packets which do not contain all required fees and documents will not be processed.)

Applying by fax or mail:
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for each Off-Highway Vehicle you will be bringing to Utah. Have the affidavit(s) notarized by a Notary Public.
2. Attach a photocopy of your state issued identification (Drivers license or other state issued identification) to the affidavit.
3. Attach a photocopy of each Off-Highway Vehicles title/registration, or current registration, or notarized bill of sale in cases where your state has no registration for Off-Highway Vehicles.
4. Attach a check or money order in the amount of $30 dollars (US).
5. Mail all the above documents to:
  Utah Division of Parks and Recreation
  Non-resident Off-Highway Vehicle User Permits
  1594 West North Temple, Suite 116
  PO Box 146001
  Salt Lake City, Utah 84114-6001
  Fax: (801) 538-4802
6. Permits will be mailed to the address provided on the affidavit.
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Applying in person:
Permits are available in person at authorized vendor locations throughout the state of Utah. For a complete listing of authorized vendors, Multimedia file viewing and clickable links are available for registered members only!!  You need to Login or Register!!
or contact the Utah Division of Parks and Recreation, OHV Education office at 1-800-OHV-RIDE (1-800-648-7433).

1. Proof of residency: drivers license or other state issued identification.
2. Proof of ownership: title/registration, or current registration, or bill of sale in cases where your state has no registration for Off-Highway Vehicles.
3. Check or money order in the amount of $30 dollars (US).

Revenues generated from Off-Highway Vehicle user fees are dedicated to the construction, improvement, operation and maintenance of Off-Highway Vehicle trails.

Still have questions? Or for more information,
please call 1-800-OHV-RIDE.


States With Reciprocity

If a state is not listed, this means that no reciprocity is offered by that state or the state has no current registration program for Off Highway Vehicles. Lists below are states that will not need a non-resident permit for off highway vehicles. Broken down by vehicle type.
Those States are:
ATV / Motorbike Snowmobile
Arkansas
California
Colorado
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Louisiana
Minnesota
Montana
New Mexico
New York
North Dakota
Ohio
Oregon
Pennsylvania
Texas
Vermont
California
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Nebraska
North Dakota
Ohio
Pennsylvania
South Dakota
Vermont
Washington
Wisconsin










This law was passed on the promise ALL of the monies collected would go to OHV trail improvements, maintenance and related OHV use expences to the State. See section Multimedia file viewing and clickable links are available for registered members only!!  You need to Login or Register!!
I'm waiting to see if that actually happens or if like the old OHV permit for Utah residents, the majority of the funds got sucked up by snowmobile trail work and red tape.


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