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Fed vs State Land Control
03/06/10 at 09:46:25
 
Here's another SL Trib article, this one's about how the Utah State Legislature wants to take over ownership of Fed lands. I'd heard a little about this but wasn't aware that if Utah actually won the inevitable lawsuit over state vs feds managing these lands, that Utah would manage them via SITLA. Not sure what to think of that one....

Since the author references USA-All, anyone more knowledgeable than myself know what their angle is in aligning with the state (other than the obvious:  feds=bad land management Roll Eyes)?

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Reply #1 - 03/06/10 at 19:25:12
 
Well , there's  a couple of things that this guy is not  commenting on or else he is not aware .

 Obama is threatening  to make two new Monuments here ,  one in the Swell and another in Cedar Mesa . With the stroke of a pen he can do it  just like Clinton did in 1996 .

 I for one would rather work with the State than the Feds . Our local  politicians are pretty united on their feelings about the Feds  closing up our lands in Utah .  SUWA is pushing hard to get the Feds to close things up . I see a lot of changes coming .

 The   school trust   is committed to make money with the land that they have . They are becoming limited in what they can do because of their lands  being changed to wilderness . School kids are going without because of this . There is 80 billion in coal on SITLA lands in the Grand Staircase .

 I'll take my chances with the State . We had 27 legislaters on our side at the Rally . And I know that there are a lot more on our side that weren't  there .
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Reply #2 - 03/07/10 at 09:29:20
 
I tend to agree with QF on this one. Local politicians are more receptive to the people. I don't think the Feds care about a group of unhappy folks in Utah, but the locals sure do come election time. Wink

I'd rather deal with the locals
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Reply #3 - 03/09/10 at 08:21:49
 
This is kind of a touchy subject.  We've really got it pretty good here.  The federal land managers that I work with on a daily basis are top notch folks, and, for the most part, they do care about you and I and our recreation.  The folks in Washington DC are another story, but even some of them are OK.

I'm absolutely certain that you and I wouldn't have anywhere near the opportunity to ride that we currently enjoy without the likes of Ole Ranger, ATV Manager, the late Clyde Lay (USFS, and one of the founders of the Paiute Trail) and a bunch of like minded folks.  So with that in mind, let's not be too quick to pan the feds.

Also, think for a minute of what the situation might be like if the state assumed control of the federal land in Utah.  Regardless of what agency takes it over, the budgets are slim enough that much of it would have to be sold to pay the bills for managing the rest.  You and I wouldn't be able to buy it, so it would end up in the hands of private interests that may not be friendly to us.  Remember the Elk Meadows scare of a year or so ago? The lack of riding opportunity in the eastern US can be largely attributed to the lack of public lands. We enjoy somewhere in the neighborhood of 50K miles of OHV opportunity, most of it on federally managed public land.

Anyway, we better be careful what we ask for.

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Reply #4 - 03/09/10 at 10:16:59
 
Point well taken.
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Reply #5 - 03/09/10 at 12:14:38
 
Thanks for saying something Fred,

In my initial comment my intent was not to bash the local fed employees who do a ton to improve and maintain the great riding we have.  I worry about the seemingly constant threat of good riding areas being taken away by people in D.C., but it does concern me as well to see how things might be different under state control, in large part because Utah actually has to balance their budget.  In times like these, nothing is off the table in order for the state to do this.  It'll be interesting to see how everything plays out with this.

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