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11/24/10 at 18:16:15
 
I am currently running Maxxis Bighorns but I am looking for a tire that is just as durable but with a more directional tread pattern. I do mostly dessert and rock riding not much mud.
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Reply #1 - 11/24/10 at 23:05:10
 
I had not planed on announcing it quite yet but since you asked Smiley

I am doing an evaluation and product review of the new ITP BAJACROSS tires and so far I am convinced they may just be a better tire than the Big Horn. Thats not easy for me to say since I have been a die-hard Big Horn fan since they were introduced. If you read through this forum there is no other tire I would have ever recommended until now.

The BajaCross is an 8 ply versus 6 ply for the Big Horn. They claim to be 25% tougher than the BH in the literature. They also tell me ITP has used a new extended-life rubber compound with an overlapping tread pattern that should provide a longer tread life span, better traction, and are easier on the trails without sacrificing traction. ITP claims it is a matter of putting the rubber to the trail where it can provide optimum traction without over kill and digging in more than needed. The factory rep tells me they took a very serious and hard look at their biggest competitor, the Big Horn, then listened to the customers on what they liked and didn't like, then went and developed a better tire from what they have learned from their many years in the business.

The BajaCross is a sure footed radial like the Big Horn so it does very well in the rocks and in hard packed dirt. In my opinion the new tread design also gives BajaCross a smother ride and better traction in the loose stuff, mud and snow. The BajaCross seems to, as some of the sales literature claims, to do a little less traction damage to the trails because of this new tread design.  I noticed when making low speed sharp turns in soft soil they seemed to churn up less dirt. Something I think if true is a great plus for our trails and their longevity. However that still needs more trail time for me to feel comfortable and confident  making such a claim. For now lets call it a casual observation until proven one way or the other.

One of my only complaints with the Big Horn was they are a little weak in the traction department on anything but rocks and hard dirt. Not seriously weak but enough to notice over some others I have tested. Their heavy construction and resistance to rock and other trail hazard damage more than makes up for it. I also thought the Big Horns have a tendency to side slip in the sand on turns but I have not had an opportunity to try the BajaCross in the sand so I can't yet make an honest comparison on that at the moment.

The BajaCross tread design did much better in the snow and mud on our last outing than one of the other machines in the group with Big Horns did, especially on one steep downhill muddy, slushy and hard packed snow area. I never slipped a wheel while other sort of slid down one section.

I still like the Big Horns, they are one tough tire and a tough act to follow so the BajaCross has a lot to live up to and surpass in order to win in this market. Time will tell, but so far I am sold on them.

The only problem I ran into, and was not ITP's fault, was that on my can-am they are slightly fatter (9") than the stock (8") tires and I had to put spacers behind the rim to offset the wheels a little for a tie rod clearance issue.

FYI: if anyone is interested we are having custom spacers made for the can-am front hubs for wider tires people want to use but just don't quite fit when using the stock rims. The wider 9" front tires rub the tie rod ends slightly so the spacer will move the tire and wheel out just enough to give the needed clearance and still keep the tires within the fenders. These are not just for use with ITP tires, 9" Big Horns and others have the same clearance issue on the can-am if you want to keep the stock rims.
If anyone is interested drop me a PM and I'll fill you in on the details.

I will be reporting more over time about how much I like or even come to dislike the BajaCross as time goes on. Much like I did with the first Big Horns I want this to be a true long term evaluation.
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Reply #2 - 11/25/10 at 06:55:50
 
Thanks for the info.  I remember us talking about a tire when we rode together in September but I could not remember which one it was. I will be looking forward to your full evaluation. I want new tires before we ride the swell and moab in the spring Cool
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Reply #3 - 11/25/10 at 09:10:31
 
ATVUtah wrote on 11/24/10 at 23:05:10:
I am doing an evaluation and product review of the new ITP BAJACROSS tires



A few questions on this subject:

1) How do you get into testing products for manufacturers?
2) Where are you testing your tires? Will you have a chance to put those tires through deep and/or frozen snow?
3) When will they available for sale at RMATV? (not listed yet)
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Reply #4 - 11/25/10 at 13:13:43
 
I saw those tires on the rocky mountain website for sale.  I would love to try a pair now that I have a couple destroyed big horns
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Reply #5 - 11/25/10 at 13:25:45
 
Don't know if you'll tear up the side walls of them or not, eh?  Guess it couldn't hurt to try some out.

Get them on and it's time for you and your dad to head out on a week long ride to test them out, eh? Of course they've got to be a long shot better than the stock Dulops.


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Reply #6 - 11/25/10 at 14:51:10
 
Not sure when I am riding next.  My dad is riding all week in moab wish I could of joined him.  Love that area
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Reply #7 - 11/25/10 at 17:22:03
 
BruteForce wrote on 11/25/10 at 09:10:31:
ATVUtah wrote on 11/24/10 at 23:05:10:
I am doing an evaluation and product review of the new ITP BAJACROSS tires



A few questions on this subject:

1) How do you get into testing products for manufacturers?
2) Where are you testing your tires? Will you have a chance to put those tires through deep and/or frozen snow?
3) When will they available for sale at RMATV? (not listed yet)


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#1 First you build a popular website then you go to trade shows and meet and greet all the factory reps. Then you gather their business cards with their cell phone number or you dig and scrap until you get the factory reps cell phone number, then you become either his best friend or his biggest pain in the @ss until he caves in and gets you in their testing lineup. In the mean while you also hound the hell out of the manufactures asking, begging, pleading with them to let you test and or evaluate their products.

#2 I will be testing these on a long term basis. I've already played in the rocks and some mud and snow. I'm intending on some deep snow rides to test their traction and reaction to such conditions. This will continue with other locations and conditions as the year progresses. My goal is to see how much crap they can take and survive Wink as well as how well they perform under various conditions. then report this back to anyone who wants to listen.

#3 They have been available for sale since early 2009. They were originally released in four sizes: 25x8R-12, 25x10R-12, 26x10R-14, 26x11R-14. they have since released 2 more sizes. They can be purchased from many dealers around the state. Multimedia file viewing and clickable links are available for registered members only!!  You need to Login or Register!!
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Reply #8 - 11/26/10 at 10:18:47
 
Gary;

I am a die hard Big Horn guy. But, I have been watching and listening to people who have run the BajaCross tires. I have one question.
As far as width? How do thy compare to Big Horns?

I ride a Polaris Rzr and and Honda Rincon. Do you know, and if so, what are the width of tires you can put on a Rzr, front and rear, and stay within the 50" limit? Samd for the Rincon? Expecially the Rzr, with stock off-sets.  Can you run the new tire with ITP rims and stay within the 50" limits?   Do you need to maintain the stock whell offsets?  

I think this is a very important issue for Utah riders, especially on Piaute trails!

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Reply #9 - 11/26/10 at 12:10:19
 
BigSal46 wrote on 11/26/10 at 10:18:47:
Gary;

I am a die hard Big Horn guy. But, I have been watching and listening to people who have run the BajaCross tires. I have one question.
As far as width? How do thy compare to Big Horns?

I ride a Polaris Rzr and and Honda Rincon. Do you know, and if so, what are the width of tires you can put on a Rzr, front and rear, and stay within the 50" limit? Sand for the Rincon? Especially the Rzr, with stock off-sets. Can you run the new tire with ITP rims and stay within the 50" limits? Do you need to maintain the stock whell offsets?

I think this is a very important issue for Utah riders, especially on Paiute trails!

Don


Don I have just barely got into this so at the moment I don't have all the necessary information to make a comparison as to fit for the RZR or any other machine.

My goal here is to do a long term durability test so when asked, as is done so often here on the forum, I could honestly and in good conscience tell people which tire is the best one for use on Utah's Trails. We have some unique conditions here. We don't run primarily in the mud and we don't run mostly in the sand as in other areas. We have ROCKS and lots of tire eating rocks and snow and just a little mud now and then. Utah is primarily a high desert dry climate. So the tire needs here are different than those in other parts of the country. The Maxxis Big Horn has filled that need above and beyond any other brand out there, until now. Thus my desire to find out if the claims for the BajaCross are true and if it can honestly be a better tire to recommend to people for riding here in the great State of Utah, or any place else for that matter.

The BajaCross comes in 25x8R-12, 25x10R-12, 26x9R-12, 26x11R-12, 26x10R-14, 26x11R-14. The same sizes Maxxis offers in the BH line and the dimensions appear to be the same as far as I can tell. Maxxis does offer a few more sizes right now but ITP is adding to their lineup.

Time will tell which tire truly shines as the best for our needs. For now I just want to go run them down a trail and kick the crap out of them and see how they hold up Smiley

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Reply #10 - 11/26/10 at 12:58:55
 
And I'm going to hyjack this thread and say this is exactly why we need to plan a wintr group ride  Wink so I can get stuck in deep snow, and you can evaluate the preformance while you pull me out! Woohoo!
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Reply #11 - 11/30/10 at 18:42:07
 
This might be helpful. I just found this review Shocked
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Reply #12 - 12/01/10 at 16:20:01
 
The reviews sound like they are a great tire.  But at RMATV a full set for my machine would be $603.04 and a full set of BigHorns would be $373.96.  They would have to be significantly better to justify another $229 (61%) more.
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Reply #13 - 12/01/10 at 19:48:19
 
For $600.00 I could get a set of Pitbulls .  Wink
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Reply #14 - 12/02/10 at 10:13:30
 
$600 thats full retail. We should never pay full retail.  Wink

If your serious about a set shoot me a PM with the size needed and I'll see what I can do. The Factory rep is willing to work some deals to get more of them out there so people will talk them up.
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Reply #15 - 12/03/10 at 18:29:24
 
I checked today on a set of Pitbulls . I stopped at Discount Tire. Four 26x9x12 Rocker tires , with tax and mounting is $632.00. Ouch !
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Set of four Bajacross for $388.38 plus $43.52 for shipping $431.91 total. Not bad!!  sizes were 25/8 12  and 25/10 12
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Reply #17 - 08/06/12 at 12:19:56
 
Gary,

I'm looking for a new set of tires and have it narrowed down to the bighorns or the bajacross, and came across this old thread. I wondered what your advice would be considering your experience with both tires. Have the bajacross' held up to the test of time and mileage? I'd be interested in a review of the bajacross' since you've ridden them for a few years now. Maybe the initial hype has worn off and you would once again recommend the bighorns? Or maybe you'd buy another set of bajacross'. Or maybe you've moved onto another tire that you like better. In either case I'm just looking for your reasoning of why you'd pick one tire over the other. I ride Utah rocks just like everyone else on here and the BH's reputation is undisputable, but considering the price is about the same at Rocky Mountain ATV, I need some help deciding.

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Reply #18 - 08/07/12 at 09:11:44
 
I am still a big fan of the Baja Cross tire. Its holding up well, so far has been just as tough as the Big Horns. For me they have a smoother ride and are more stable in the turns, especially in soft material. Time will tell how they hold up milage wise but since i have not been able to ride this year it may be a while before I know. So far I have about 1200 miles on them, and not easy miles, and they still look like new.
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Reply #19 - 09/17/12 at 13:49:05
 
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Here's my two penny's worth on tires ... Smiley ..... I run the Interco Reptile radial tire. I've ran the 27X11RX12's at all four corners for several years now. Both on my non-power steering Grizzly & currently on my Can-Am Outlander MAX with PS. And just last month decided to go to the 9 in wide for the front to keep some of the mud off of me & the wife. Smiley


I have approx 2200 miles on these tires & they've been great. Rode them in rocks, mud, over dead fall & thru timber cutting areas, snow, mud, fast trail riding, fast desert riding, etc ... they do it all. Great all around tire. Smiley

The only issue I have with them is they run small for their advertized size. The 27's measure 26 inches with 7psi when new. And since I only run 3 to 3 1/2 psi in mine, they measure in at 25.5 inches tall. Smiley

That's one reason I may do what Quadforce suggested & get a set of Pitbull Rockers 27.5 in tall tires next spring .... if I have $800 that is ... Shocked

But even then, I'm not sure I would really gain anything over the Reptiles I currently run. That 27.5 in measurement is at 7psi, so at 3 psi they may only be 26.5 inches tall. So maybe what, 1/2 in of ground clearance more .... for $800 ?? Not to mention how they may affect performance ?? .... SAVVY ?? Smiley



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Reply #20 - 09/19/12 at 11:18:11
 
Gunny wrote on 09/17/12 at 13:49:05:


I have approx 2200 miles on these tires & they've been great. Rode them in rocks, mud, over dead fall & thru timber cutting areas, snow, mud, fast trail riding, fast desert riding, etc ... they do it all. Great all around tire. Smiley



Fast trail riding? Rolling on floor laughing Fast desert riding? Rolling on floor laughing Was someone else riding your machine there Gunny? Smiley
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Reply #21 - 09/19/12 at 15:40:41
 
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Fast trail riding? Rolling on floor laughing Fast desert riding? Rolling on floor laughing Was someone else riding your machine there Gunny? Smiley



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Reply #22 - 11/14/12 at 21:23:42
 
Hey Gunny,
how well do you think those Interco Reptile tires would work on a side by side (26x10x14 & 26x12x14)?  I had numerous flats when I ran Bighorns on a long travel Rhino a few years ago, likely because the width of the long travel suspension made the tires spend most of their time off the side of the trail, instead of on the trail.  I'm looking for a better than stock set of tires for a new side by side, which is 6" narrower than the long travel Rhino was, but is still pretty wide.  But even with the narrower width I don't want to run Bighorns again.
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Reply #23 - 11/14/12 at 21:43:00
 
3TV wrote on 11/14/12 at 21:23:42:
Hey Gunny,
how well do you think those Interco Reptile tires would work on a side by side (26x10x14 & 26x12x14)? I had numerous flats when I ran Bighorns on a long travel Rhino a few years ago, likely because the width of the long travel suspension made the tires spend most of their time off the side of the trail, instead of on the trail. I'm looking for a better than stock set of tires for a new side by side, which is 6" narrower than the long travel Rhino was, but is still pretty wide. But even with the narrower width I don't want to run Bighorns again.


I think the Reptiles would work great. And I just sold my Reptiles to my nephew who is going to put them on a RZR 800.

Hey, I still have two 27X11RX12 rears for sale ... I'll make ya heck of deal (I think anyways) ... They only measured about 25.5 inches tall at 3 or 3.5 psi .... and I'm head'in to Vegas next Wednesday ... so PM me if you is interested     Cool



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