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12/15/15 at 23:27:08  
So I got BC Navigator downloaded and have been tinkering with it, but I am getting confused on how you load track logs to it.  I have found the Every Trail site, but there aren't a lot of track logs there.  Some other sites have more, but put them in file formats apparently not supported by android? How do you convert and install?  Is there a better place to find tracks?

Also, would Utah topo and the atvutah disk sold here work in random with BC nav or would it pretty much replace the need for BC nav?
Sorry for all the questions but this is getting confusing....
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Reply #1 - 12/15/15 at 23:33:32  
BCN only works with .gpx files which are the standard GPS file.  BCN will not use any Custom Map you find on places like GpsFileDepot.
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Reply #2 - 12/16/15 at 14:00:40  
BobT wrote on 12/15/15 at 23:33:32:
BCN only works with .gpx files which are the standard GPS file.  BCN will not use any Custom Map you find on places like GpsFileDepot.



So where is the best place to get track logs in .gpx files?
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Reply #3 - 12/16/15 at 16:17:42  
You can convert .GDB to .GPX using GPSBabel and a number of other applications. Google Earth might even be able to convert via MapSource (Via in Google Earth), then SAVE AS..

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Reply #4 - 12/16/15 at 18:30:51  
BruteForce wrote on 12/16/15 at 16:17:42:
You can convert .GDB to .GPX using GPSBabel and a number of other applications. Google Earth might even be able to convert via MapSource (Via in Google Earth), then SAVE AS..

I have enough folks asking for help, I should sponsor a weekend brunch/lunch-n-learn..


I think that would be a great idea.  We did that when a bunch bought the Montana and SARrider gave a lesson on using the Montana.  It was great.  The only downside is that you would get novices like me who you would have to begin with the basics.
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Reply #5 - 12/16/15 at 21:24:29  
Yes the CD I sell can be used with BC Nav. The next version I'm hoping to have completed after the holidays will work even better with it and a few other pieces of GPS software.
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Reply #6 - 12/17/15 at 12:20:00  
BruteForce wrote on 12/16/15 at 16:17:42:
You can convert .GDB to .GPX using GPSBabel and a number of other applications. Google Earth might even be able to convert via MapSource (Via in Google Earth), then SAVE AS..

I have enough folks asking for help, I should sponsor a weekend brunch/lunch-n-learn..


Thanks Jim.  I read about gpsbabel somewhere. Sounds like that's what I need.

I think I can figure this stuff out, but a class/demonstration would speed up the process. I'd be game for it.

My biggest issue now is deciding which system I want to use. I have downloaded Base camp and played with it a bit, but I think I like BcNav a bit better.
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Reply #7 - 12/17/15 at 12:22:01  
ATVUtah wrote on 12/16/15 at 21:24:29:
Yes the CD I sell can be used with BC Nav. The next version I'm hoping to have completed after the holidays will work even better with it and a few other pieces of GPS software.


That is good news. It sounds like your disk will have everything I need. Should I order one now or wait for the new version?
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Reply #8 - 12/18/15 at 15:54:55  
ATVUtah wrote on 12/16/15 at 21:24:29:
Yes the CD I sell can be used with BC Nav. The next version I'm hoping to have completed after the holidays will work even better with it and a few other pieces of GPS software.

Just might have to get a copy of that cd !!  Wink
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Reply #9 - 12/20/15 at 13:10:33  
Jim (Kickstart), here's the RAM Mount system I put together for a Dell 7" tablet that I'm going to experiment with  in conjunction to my Garmin GPSr. I also have an iPad Mini that I'll try as well, but I don't think the navigation apps for iPad are a solid as those on Android.
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Reply #10 - 12/20/15 at 13:11:20  
On the front photo above, note that I affixed a heavy duty screen protector and have a ruggedized case for the Tablet.. and it still fits well inside the mount.

Here's the rear:
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Reply #11 - 12/21/15 at 21:42:08  
Looks really good Jim.  
I got my mount and tested it out around the neighborhood last week.  Unfortunately, my 8 inch Samsung is kind of an oddball size and the tab-tite mount wouldn't fit.  So I had to get the x mount instead.  Seems pretty sturdy but I need the rain and snow to quit to go test it!

So far though, I am really liking the android/BC nav combo. I ran it all the way to phoenix in the truck this past weekend and it worked great. Smiley
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Reply #12 - 12/24/15 at 20:24:15  
Well I finally got to go test the android tablet out on a real ride today.  All I can say is it worked awesome! The screen was a little dim at mid-day, but I could still see it good enough to navigate.  After all, you really don't need to see it every second.  When the sun was beating down on the fresh snow, I had to stop and cover it a bit at the intersections.  No biggie.  The ability to run my stereo and have a secondary camera and video cam is awesome and make it worth it alone.  Plus,  its nice to have my service manual and other info handy. Wink
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Reply #13 - 12/25/15 at 07:10:42  
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What type of tablet are you using and what did you do to in case it from the outdoor elements ? I was thinking of using my Tab 3 but not sure if I can find a mount for it your thoughts....
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What type of tablet are you using and what did you do to in case it from the outdoor elements ? I was thinking of using my Tab 3 but not sure if I can find a mount for it your thoughts....


Charlie, try the RAM Mount first (the one I have pictured above). That thing is solid and will hold up to an ~8" tablet without movement. I'm going to try with an iPad Mini and a Dell Venue 7 Android Tablet. Not much in the way of waterproof cases for the Dell, but I just installed a LifeProof case on the iPad MINI and put it underwater in the sink for 30 minutes without issue!  Huh
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What type of tablet are you using and what did you do to in case it from the outdoor elements ? I was thinking of using my Tab 3 but not sure if I can find a mount for it your thoughts....


I got a Samsung Note 8 because it is one of the few tabs that has an SD card slot for extra memory and ease of transferring data.  
I encased it in an Otterbox case and then mounted it to the front rack with a RAM clamp/claw mount so I can remove the whole thing without any tools.
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Reply #16 - 12/25/15 at 12:32:44  
Since Its been snowing non-stop, I starting playing with an iPad based Navigation application called: GlobalTerraMaps.

I upload my GPX maps (from Garmin) to their website, then I can download it to the iPad. I can offline download sections of Topo or SAT maps.. so far, its looking favorable that this will compete nicely with BCN!
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Kick,
What type of tablet are you using and what did you do to in case it from the outdoor elements ? I was thinking of using my Tab 3 but not sure if I can find a mount for it your thoughts....


Charlie, try the RAM Mount first (the one I have pictured above). That thing is solid and will hold up to an ~8" tablet without movement. I'm going to try with an iPad Mini and a Dell Venue 7 Android Tablet. Not much in the way of waterproof cases for the Dell, but I just installed a LifeProof case on the iPad MINI and put it underwater in the sink for 30 minutes without issue!  Huh


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If I get a otter box case for my device will it still fit in a Ram Mount you think
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OneTrackChan450 wrote on 12/26/15 at 16:18:55:
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OneTrackChan450 wrote on 12/25/15 at 07:10:42:
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What type of tablet are you using and what did you do to in case it from the outdoor elements ? I was thinking of using my Tab 3 but not sure if I can find a mount for it your thoughts....


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If I get a otter box case for my device will it still fit in a Ram Mount you think


Yes, I have a LifeProof case on my iPad Mini and it fits perfectly in the Ram mount.
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A little test ride that shows what a tablet looks like on the fly:

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I'm just curious to know why you keep the tablet in portrait mode? Mine will be in landscape mode.. I hope to get out Jan 1st. Come join me on a snow ride..
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Reply #22 - 12/27/15 at 17:49:42  
BruteForce wrote on 12/27/15 at 17:01:37:
I'm just curious to know why you keep the tablet in portrait mode? Mine will be in landscape mode.. I hope to get out Jan 1st. Come join me on a snow ride..


Is that the length/width orientation of the screen?  I figured I would mount it that way so I could use the camera if needed.

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Reply #23 - 12/28/15 at 05:44:42  
You can use either Mapsource or Basecamp to effectively "convert" a GDB to a GPX:

Mapsource - Open/Save as
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BCN only works with .gpx files which are the standard GPS file.  BCN will not use any Custom Map you find on places like GpsFileDepot.



So where is the best place to get track logs in .gpx files?

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Reply #24 - 12/28/15 at 10:00:27  
Over the last few days, I've been putting my iPad Mini through a torture test. In its LifeProof case, I've been taking it into the shower with me, watching DishAnywhere TV.

So far, this case is 100% waterproof, submersible, and tough! I hope to get the unit out on its maiden snow ride at the end of this week.
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BruteForce wrote on 12/28/15 at 10:00:27:
Over the last few days, I've been putting my iPad Mini through a torture test. In its LifeProof case, I've been taking it into the shower with me, watching DishAnywhere TV.

So far, this case is 100% waterproof, submersible, and tough! I hope to get the unit out on its maiden snow ride at the end of this week.

Jim..Let me know how it works out maybe I will get one of those as apposed to the OtterBox ...
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Reply #26 - 12/28/15 at 12:53:32  
I've been messing around with Delorme Earthmate app mainly because I use a Delorme Inreach se while out and about. The Earthmate is similar to BC navigator but does cost a little up front.

Loaded some maps on my Android 7 inch tablet to try out this past weekend while driving to Tremonton and found even in the cab of the pickup I couldn't see the tablet screen. Not sure if there is anything that would help cut the glare as I hopped to use the tablet while in the truck or trailer then switch to the phone for ATV and shoe leather navigation. Heck I already have 10 GB of maps loaded on both units, some local and a whole pile of AZ maps for a Feb trip I have planned.
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Reply #27 - 01/01/16 at 22:00:09  
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Loaded some maps on my Android 7 inch tablet to try out this past weekend while driving to Tremonton and found even in the cab of the pickup I couldn't see the tablet screen. .


Did you turn your screen brightness level up to max?

A couple things I have noticed about mine in the last couple rides is that I need to get the anti glare screen protectors instead of the shiny ones, and the calterra topo maps are easier to see than the aerial photo maps because the topos are lighter colored and the aerials are generally dark green or brown.  But I still like running the aerials better because you can actually see the trail and what its made of instead of just some black line on a map.
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Reply #28 - 01/02/16 at 08:44:11  
Had the screen brightness maxed out. I'm going to try the anti glare screen protector as well, currently I don't have anything on the screen so maybe these will help some. I did notice that my cell phone screen was easier to see. I was running the photo's as well, the maps I have access to in earthmate have a lot of extra roads or lacking roads just like any quad map does so I like the photo's for the detail. Being an old Forester and using photo's for 20 years to find a certain spot on the ground has some effect on my choice of liking photo's for navigation as well.
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Reply #29 - 01/02/16 at 08:52:36  
Lots of great learning on the trail yesterday. Loads of snow on the ground, no clouds and brilliant sun light made both my iPad and apparently KS's Samsung Android tablet tough to see.

I too will be looking for another screen protector. I have a really rugged unit on it now, in conjunction with this sweet LifeProof case, but the sun made the display really difficult to see, and even more so with goggles on.

I kept my Garmin mounted so I could compare and I had zero issues seeing the Garmin display.

Terra Map HD for iOS/iPad is a great competitor to BCN, by the way. The only thing I'm finding lacking thus far is the TRACK export function; you have to email yourself the track and it sends in .KMZ and .GPX format, but MapSource couldn't read the .GPX. Google Earth had no issue with either.
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Reply #30 - 01/03/16 at 14:15:45  
The ride on New Year's day was probably the worst conditions one could encounter for trying to read any kind of electronic device. With the bright sun and fresh snow on the ground, seeing my screen was definitely tougher--especially at mid day.  But that being said, I still would rather run a tablet for navigation instead of a bona fide GPS unit. I don't know why, but the little 3 or 4 inch screens most of them have just bother me.  I guess its akin to trying to read a paper map whilst looking through a needle eye.  No matter how far I zoom out, it still feels like I'm looking through a peep hole at the landscape.  The tablets still aren't quite like looking at a paper map, but they are much closer to it.
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Reply #31 - 01/06/16 at 20:47:57  
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Yes the CD I sell can be used with BC Nav. The next version I'm hoping to have completed after the holidays will work even better with it and a few other pieces of GPS software.



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Reply #32 - 01/26/16 at 21:31:17  
Got my tablet shade mounted and tested it out on a little ride today.  It made a big difference.  The screen is much easier to see now, and the drifting snow doesn't adhere to it anymore.  There is still some glare off the Otterbox lens protector, but I don't know how to fix that.  I guess I could take it out of the Otterbox and put non-glare films on it, but I like the protection of the case more than I hate the glare.

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