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Glen Canyon=Canyonlands NP?
04/09/17 at 23:01:57
 
So I spent the better part of 150 minutes scouring the GCNRA website and other sites trying to find out if ohvs were legal in the Orange Cliffs section of the GCNRA, all to no avail. I did find a picture a Jeeper took of a no ohv sign at what I assumed was the border of the Maze district of Canyonlands, but nothing on the GCNRA. Fast forward to last week, and I physically had to travel 45 miles on my quad to get to the Orange Cliffs section of the Rec Area only to find a brand new sign specifically outlawing ohvs, street legal ohvs, pets, fires, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness within the Rec Area! OK, so the last three weren't actually on the sign, but they might as well be if the first four are. Angry So apparently, the Rec Area is just an extension of Canyonlands NP, and its following their same lame rules!?
It ticks me off that the GCNRA hides this info. It ticks me off that they make no mention of the discrimination they have for ohvs anywhere a normal human might look. It ticks me off that they don't do us the courtesy of at least mentioning on the sign by the highway that this trail is a 45 mile dead end for ohvs (street legal or not). It ticks me off that you must physically cross a river and ride all the way to the border before you can find out you're not welcome in one of the prettiest places in OUR state. It further ticks me off that someone can slap a street legal kit on a 500cc 2 stroke dirt bike with a decibel level somewhere near that of a jet engine, and go right on into the Rec Area AND the NP! But our street legal, spark arrested, fairly quiet ATVs must stop at the boundary? Horse $#it.
Why do I care? Because the Rec Area is cutting us out of literally one of the best riding areas in Utah. If this little sliver of the GCNRA would allow us passage, we could ride the 16 miles of Poison Springs, cross the Dirty Devil, ride twenty miles to Sunset Pass, then decide to go left or right. Right would take you to the Hite Bridge and hwy 95. Left would take you to the Flint Trail, Hans Flat, Big Ridge, Sam's Mesa, Robber's Roost, and eventually clear on in to Green River! It's a connecting piece of land that ties in over 350 miles of prime trails and roads!
We need to get this section opened up to ohvs. There is no logical reason on God's green Earth that we should not be allowed to ride this area. It's one of the most remote places in the lower 48. It receives less than 400 people per year, and all must see it by high clearance 4x4 or motorcycle. ATVs do nothing to the roads that the other's do not. And 90% of those existing roads were made by locals trying to make a living off the land, NOT by the Park Service (like they'd like you to believe). I think these roads inside this Rec Area boundary ought to be used for RECREATION!
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Reply #1 - 04/10/17 at 01:58:15
 
A month ago I got my RZR street legal and thought I could make a loop through that area.  Did the same thing you did.  Poured over the Internet and then finally called the ranger at Hans Flat.  Was told not a chance.   Asked why it wasn't on there Web site and why I could ride on the other side of the Colorado River but not there. she didn't know.  Now I'm not saying the ride on Poison Springs wasn't enjoyable because it certainly was but a loop around would have made it much more enjoyable.
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Reply #2 - 04/10/17 at 07:48:28
 
The whole thing is pretty lame. I saw some interesting dirt roads in Capitol Reef and asked a ranger the same thing. Is a street legal RZR good to go. Got a big fat NO!. When I asked as to why a truck/jeep/car/motorcycle was okay, she had no answer. Hell. Even a smart car which is about the same size, if not smaller is okay. there is no rational reason for this ban.  soap box
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Reply #3 - 04/10/17 at 10:41:03
 
Only a draft has been posted and a public comment is supposed to happen soon. When I know not. here is where to find some more information.
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For additional assistance in obtaining a copy of the Plan/FEIS, please contact us at (928) 608-6205 or via email at GLCA_Superintendent@nps.gov

And lastly get involved send your comments that you took time to post on this sight to the Superintendent. He needs to know what his customers think. I have talked with them and they tell me they have not had anyone complain to them. So let them hear from you.
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Reply #4 - 04/10/17 at 11:26:48
 
Valleysol wrote on 04/10/17 at 10:41:03:
Only a draft has been posted and a public comment is supposed to happen soon. When I know not. here is where to find some more information.
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For additional assistance in obtaining a copy of the Plan/FEIS, please contact us at (928) 608-6205 or via email at GLCA_Superintendent@nps.gov

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Thank you Valleysol. I will get on this. I have a burr under my saddle about this particular area. We have enough National Parks in this state. We don't need a Rec area acting like another one!
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Reply #5 - 04/11/17 at 03:29:40
 
I spent several days Jeeping this a couple of years ago . This is one of the most remote areas I have been to . I usually only saw two or three people a day . There are  no services available and you are expected to pack your poop out  Lips Sealed .  This area operates on a permit system that  I had to apply about six months in advance for .  
The Maze is spectacular and there is a campground right in front of it . The routes there are rough rocky and a blast to run .   I made comments on this when it came out hoping to see ATVs being able to get in but  the control in this area is crazy . Apply for the permit , pay for the permit , check in when you get there , now wait your turn to get in, but it's worth it when you get there .
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Reply #6 - 04/11/17 at 18:00:07
 
Wow!  They even named it after you Glen!  You are well known!     Wink
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